2Tokens Podcast

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, hosts Alex Bausch and Jonny Fry welcome back Anthony Abell - CEO and co-founder of TPX Property Exchanges Group. While his previous appearance focused on the vision behind property tokenisation, this conversation turns to the infrastructure needed to make digital real estate markets a reality. Anthony explains how TPX is working with governments, land registries, regulators and financial institutions to transform property titles into legally recognised...

How do you investigate financial crime on-chain in a market where many institutions still don’t fully understand the risks? In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, hosts Alex Bausch and Jonny Fry sit down with Liande Visscher, co-founder of BARP (Blockchain Analysis Reporting Platform), to explore the growing role of blockchain analytics in the token economy. Liande explains how BARP helps banks, exchanges and other gatekeepers investigate wallet activity, assess source of funds, and spot re...

Can local communities truly take control of their own energy, and what’s standing in the way? In this episode of the Two Tokens Podcast, recorded at Bird & Bird during the third regulatory sandbox cohort, host Alex sits down with Meijndert Jansberg (Energy Blocks) and Andries Metz (Amelander Energie Coöperatie) to explore The future of decentralised energy. Andries shares how the Ameland-based cooperative one of the first in the Netherlands, scaled to over 1,200 customers by funding sol...

What happens when renewable energy meets tokenization and then runs straight into regulation? In this episode, the answer unfolds through a deep dive into one of Europe’s most forward-looking experiments: the EU Blockchain Regulatory Sandbox. Host Olivier Rikken is joined by Edgar Kampers (Co-Founder of Hypha Energy) and Johannes Wirtz (Partner at Bird & Bird) to unpack their hands-on experience participating in Cohort 3 of the Sandbox. Together with organizations like ABN AMRO, EnergyBlo...

What do 17th-century Dutch coffee houses, paper share certificates in wheelbarrows, and today’s digital asset markets all have in common? In this episode you'll find out, they’re all part of the same story: the evolution of financial market infrastructure. Hosts Jonny Fry and Alex Bausch are joined by Oliver Margolis, Head of Product at ClearToken, for a candid explanation of the unseen systems that make markets work: the pipes and plumbing most people never think about until something break...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, hosts Jonny Fry and Alex Bausch welcome back Antony Abell, CEO of TPX Property Exchanges, for a wide-ranging conversation that begins with a simple question and quickly opens into something much bigger: what if property itself could move like money? Recorded during a Masterclass final ceremony day, the discussion traces the evolution of tokenisation away from crypto speculation and toward its most powerful real-world application: real estate. Antony ex...

In this episode of the 2Tokens podcast, host Erich Schnoeckel (2Tokens) is joined at Osborne Clarke in Amsterdam by Johannes de Jong (Osborne Clarke) and Max Costet (Fireblocks) for an in-depth conversation on the future of tokenization in the Netherlands and Europe. Building on earlier work with AFME on the future of the European token economy, the discussion zooms in on the Dutch perspective: where the market stands today, what is already technically possible, and what is still holding lar...

In this episode host Alex Bausch (2Tokens) sits down with Michel Chatelin and Joanne Zaaijer from Osborne Clarke for an in-depth conversation on digital energy, tokenization, and data sharing in Europe’s evolving energy landscape. Recorded during the Digital Energy Masterclass at Osborne Clarke’s Amsterdam office, this episode explores what “digital energy” really means. Michel explains how traditionally physical energy systems such as electricity grids, pipelines, meters etc. are being tran...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, hosts Jos Röling and Alex Bausch welcome long-time contributor of the Energy Working Group: Edgar Kampers, co-founder of Hypha Energy. This episode is a lively conversation about the future of renewable energy communities in Europe. Together they have an honest and energetic exploration of why building these communities is so challenging today and why the timing for a new approach has never been better. Edgar explains how Hypha’s tokenized, DAO-inspire...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, hosts Jos Röling and Alex from 2Tokens sit down with Kennard Brandenburgh, representing Distro Energy, to explore how peer-to-peer energy trading and tokenization are driving the next wave of innovation in the energy sector. Kennard shares how Distro’s platform enables direct energy exchange between local producers and consumers, creating fairer pricing and encouraging communities to take control of their own energy use. The discussion dives into the te...

In this special episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jonny Fry is joined by Coen ter Wal (Association for Financial Markets in Europe – AFME) and Meindert Jansberg (Catena / Energy Blocks) for a live discussion from Amsterdam, where the Dutch National Bank has convened experts to explore one of the hottest topics in finance: tokenization. This episode explores how distributed ledger technology (DLT) is transforming capital markets, from sovereign bond issuance to renewable energy financing, ...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Alex Bausch and Jos Röling, captain of the Power of the Many working group, welcome Fabien Bergier, CEO and co-founder of Fractal Energy, for a deep dive into the future of smart energy management and household flexibility. Fabien shares how Fractal Energy is transforming the way households use and share energy through intelligent battery management, AI-driven optimization, and secure cloud-based pooling. He explains how their Energy Management System ...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jos Röling welcomes Vincent van Kalkeren and Ali Karademir from EUTO Energy to explore how software-defined solutions are transforming the way we manage electricity grids. EUTO Energy is addressing one of today’s most urgent challenges in the energy transition: net congestion. As electrification accelerates and renewable energy sources grow, traditional, hardware-centric systems are no longer sufficient to manage the increasingly dynamic and decent...

The token economy is evolving fast. 🌍 At the 2Tokens MiCAR Symposium – One Year Down the Road, we reflected on MiCAR’s first year, uncovered real lessons learned and looked ahead at the future of digital assets in Europe. In this episode, we capture the voices of participants who shared their vision, challenges and insights on where the token economy is heading. The questions we asked them: - How can tokenization help businesses operate more efficiently? - What key trends will drive ...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Olivier Rikken, Head of Research at the 2Tokens Foundation, is joined by Johannes Wirtz, Partner at Bird & Bird Frankfurt and specialist in financial regulation, and Mauro Halve, Head of Compliance at Amdax, for an in-depth discussion on the EU Blockchain Sandbox. Over the past three years and three cohorts, this unique European initiative has brought together regulators and innovators to explore real-world blockchain use cases under strict con...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Alex Bausch is joined by Pascal de Keyser, founder of Portio, and Jonny Fry, founder of Team Blockchain, to delve into the future of real estate through the lens of blockchain, tokenization, and co-living. With rising urban loneliness and the lack of accessible housing, Pascal introduces co-living as a community-centric, flexible alternative to traditional rentals. From entrepreneurs to seniors, co-living is gaining traction across Europe and beyond, of...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Karsten Bruinsma, Jonny Fry, and Mathieu Cottin explore the evolving landscape of tokenization one year after the introduction of MiCAR, the EU’s Markets in Crypto-Assets Regulation. With a major symposium taking place at Rabobank in Utrecht, they reflect on the progress made so far and the challenges still ahead. A key theme in the discussion is the growing interest in tokenizing money market funds. The speakers examine why these instruments are becomi...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jonny Fry and chair of 2Tokens Alex Bausch speak with payments expert Richard Anderson about ANGU, a gold-backed stablecoin aiming to reshape how value is stored and transferred in Sub-Saharan Africa. Designed to replace unstable and informal USD reserves with a secure, inflation-resistant digital token, ANGU enables individuals and small businesses to make payments, store savings, and send remittances—without needing a bank account. Built to work...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Jonny, Erich, and Alex take a comprehensive look at the rapidly evolving landscape of digital assets, tokenization, and fintech innovation. They reflect on their recent projects, including the work of 2Tokens in energy, finance, and art, and share insights into how tokenization is unlocking new levels of liquidity, efficiency, and transparency across various industries. The hosts discuss the transformative potential of programmable payments, stablecoins...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Alex Bausch sits down with Meindert Jansberg, co-founder of EnergyBlocks (formerly Assetblocks), to explore how blockchain technology is being used to open up clean energy investments to a broader audience. EnergyBlocks offers tokenized green bonds that provide a 6.5% annual return, with a fully digital and automated onboarding, investment, and reporting process. Though powered by blockchain, the platform is designed for simplicity—making it easy f...

In this episode host Jonny Fry sits down with Elsa Madrolle, General Manager for Europe, the Middle East, and Africa at VerifyVASP, to explore the complex and rapidly evolving world of crypto regulation and digital assets. Elsa shares her journey from a traditional finance background—most notably at CME Group—to becoming a leader in blockchain compliance. Their conversation delves into the significance of the FATF Travel Rule and how VerifyVASP supports virtual asset service providers in secu...

In this episode, Jonny Fry and Alex Bausch sit down with Martijn Siebrand from ABN AMRO to unpack what’s really happening in the world of blockchain, tokenization, and digital assets. Martijn shares his takeaways and gives us a behind-the-scenes look at how one of Europe’s biggest banks is exploring the future of finance. The conversation covers everything from tokenizing bonds and driving green finance projects to what it could mean to digitize loan portfolios. It’s a fascinating look at how...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jonny Fry from TeamBlockchain explores the cutting-edge world of asset tokenization with two industry experts: Philipp Pieper from Swarm and Erich Schnoeckel from 2Tokens. The conversation revolves around the evolution of tokenization from the "wild west" of 2016-2017 to today's emerging regulatory landscape. Philipp shares insights into Swarm's innovative approach to tokenizing real-world assets, including a gold token offering in partnership with...

In this episode, Jonny Fry (TeamBlockchain) sits down with Alex Bausch (2Tokens) to explore the real-world adoption of tokenization and blockchain technology. They discuss how 2Tokens has supported industries like finance, energy, and logistics in leveraging digital assets to solve funding challenges—without the hype of early ICOs. From the Port of Rotterdam’s tokenized bills of lading to regulatory sandboxes and crowdfunding innovations, Alex and Jonny break down how blockchain is transformi...

In this episode of the 2Tokens podcast, we dive into the commercial applications of blockchain technology, particularly in the supply chain industry. We're joined by Aljosja from Doc Lab and Juliun from Stability Protocol. The conversation is led by Jonny Fry, CEO of TeamBlockchain. Together they discuss how blockchain can enable the digital transfer of ownership for critical trade documents like bills of lading, inventory receipts, and certificates of origin. We explore the unique prop...

We’ve made it to 100 episodes, and what better way to celebrate than with an in-depth discussion on the future of blockchain and tokenization? In this special episode of the 2Tokens podcast, we bring together industry experts to explore key trends shaping the space. We've asked the experts in our community the following questions: 👉 How are business going to use blockchain to improve their operations? 👉 What trends do you think will influence the adoption of tokenization in 2025? ...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, our host Erich Schnoeckel sits down with industry leaders Jan Dijkstra from Greenivity and Robert van Mölken of ExoBlock to discuss the potential of tokenizing renewable energy certificates (RECs). Together, they explore how blockchain and decentralized technology can bring new levels of transparency, trust, and efficiency to the renewable energy market while empowering global communities. Key topics covered include: 🌍 What are RECs, SRECs, and GOs? – L...

This episode of the 2Tokens podcast features an in-depth discussion on the energy sector and the role of new platforms and technologies. The speakers include Jos Roling, captain of the 2Tokens Energy working group, Kennard Brandenburgh, CCO of Distro Energy, and Edgar Kampers, CEO of Hypha Energy, which specializes in the governance of energy hubs and communities. This week's discussion covers topics such as the approach to optimizing energy usage by connecting to real-time markets and...

This episode of the 2Tokens podcast features a discussion on using web3 and blockchain technology to drive customer engagement and build unique communities. The participants include Wouter Kloosterman, founder and CEO of Authic Labs, and Jasper Verbeet, co-founder and CTO of Byont Labs. The conversation covers a range of topics, including Authic Labs' new loyalty application that incorporates web3 elements, the challenges of onboarding users to web3, and examples of successful projects that l...

The podcast episode delves into the empowering communities working group facilitated by 2Tokens over the past year, with a focus on the tax and legal aspects of tokenization and crypto. This week's participants include Erich Schnoeckel, Arie van den Bergen, a lawyer at Finnic Legal who specializes in helping FinTech companies with legal and regulatory advice, including blockchain and crypto, and Dennis Post, a tax partner at EY responsible for web3-related topics in the EMEA region, who has b...

In the podcast, Leon Gerard Vandenberg, Adri Wischmann, and Joel Dietz engage in a conversation about the intersection of blockchain technology, energy, and community benefits. Leon, the CTO for the energy working group at 2Tokens, starts by discussing the importance of turning regulatory thought leadership into practical applications, particularly in the context of solar energy and its potential as a community asset. Adri, co-founder of Blockchain Lab Drenthe, shares his experiences with blo...

In this episode Shermin Voshmgir, Founder of the Token Kitchen and Author of Token Economy, and Alex Bausch, chairman of 2Tokens, discuss the evolution and future of tokenization, particularly in the context of blockchain, Web3, and digital assets. Together they reflect on the progress since the early days of tokens, the complexity of updating content in books to match current developments, and the expansion of decentralized finance (DeFi) from a minor topic to a significant focus area. Sherm...

In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Erich Schnoeckel, Edgar Kampers and Leon Gerard Vandenberg discuss the DENYSE Project, an initiative focused on energy communities and the use of secure sensors on solar panels to track and trade green energy. Together they outline the project's goal to create a secure, traceable energy ecosystem. Sunified's Unity chip plays a crucial role by tagging energy for trust and transparency. Edgar highlights that the DENYSE Consortium aims to build software mo...

Today's podcast features a discussion on tokenization with Terence Norman from Blue Tractor and Graham Rodford from Archax, hosted by Johnny Fry. Archax is a UK-based regulated digital securities exchange. Graham's journey started in asset management and led him to crypto in 2013. By 2020, Archax became the UK's first regulated digital securities exchange custodian, allowing them to operate in both crypto and securities. They have been developing their platform for six years and are now...

This episode is only available in Dutch. Get in contact with us if you would like to receive more information in English. In deze aflevering duiken Victor van der Hulst en onze eigen Alex Bausch diep in de vooruitgang en de toepassingen van blockchain technologie in de moderne digitale economie. Victor, een vooraanstaand expert op dit gebied, deelt zijn waardevolle inzichten en ervaringen met ons. In deze aflevering worden een aantal belangrijke onderwerpen besproken, waaronder de Eur...

In this episode, Jonny Fry (co-founder of TEAM BLOCKCHAIN) and David Parsons (founder of NiftyOne) discuss the challenges and solutions related to storing and managing digital assets, especially with the rise of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) and stablecoins. Together they highlight how, in the past, banks managed physical assets and accounts, but with digital assets, individuals now bear the responsibility of managing their own assets, which requires reliable hardware and software. ...

This episode is only available in Dutch. In deze aflevering bespreken Arash Aazami, oprichter van Unify.Energy en co-founder van de Synergy Hackathon, Mirjam Langenhuijsen Davidson en Michiel Sintenie hun rollen en verwachtingen tijdens de hackathon. Het evenement richt zich op systeeminnovatie in de energiesector, met 170 deelnemers die 48 uur samenwerken. Mirjam is een senior adviseur publieke zaken bij Essent, en legt gedurende de podcast uit dat haar werk bestaat uit het omzetten van pra...

In this session, we delved into the fascinating world of tokenization alongside our partners Carbify, Celebratix and SBAN. What can you expect in this video? We'll take you through the key moments of the session, highlighting the vibrant discussions, the questions posed, and the key takeaways. But that's not all! We've also created valuable content, including an inspiring podcast and a "What's Next" document, to further support you on your journey through the world of tokenization. C...

Today's podcast revolves around the topic of energy sharing within communities and its implications for the energy market. The episode was recorded during the growth Hackathon "Synergy" at TU Delft, were the focus lied on finding solutions for mainly the lower voltage grit. The podcast is led by Michel Chatelin, with his two guests: Job Swens and Peter Hermans. Together they delve into the complexities of energy sharing, including legal and regulatory issues, as well as the role of grid opera...

De podcast van vandaag gaat over een gesprek tussen Erich Schoeckel, Sven Jense en Alexander Enthoven over verschillende initiatieven gerelateerd aan klimaatoplossingen, blockchain-technologie en CO2-compensatie. Sven is betrokken bij Climate Cleanup, een stichting die zich richt op het aanpakken van het klimaatprobleem door CO2 op te ruimen. Ze werken samen met ondernemers die innovatieve oplossingen bedenken, zoals het produceren van bouwmaterialen die CO2 opnemen. Climate Cleanup str...

This podcast highlights the complex landscape of energy transition, the importance of real-world experimentation, and the need for flexible, secure, and customer-centric solutions in this evolving industry. This podcast was recorded at the Green Village during the Synergy Hackathon, with Ralf Taegener, Joep van der Weijden and Leon Gerard Vandenberg. The Green Village, located at the TU Delft campus, serves as a hub for sustainable innovation with experimental housing and various projects exe...

The episode delves into the potential of DAOs for organizing and managing energy production and distribution. The episode highlights the significance of tokenization in attracting investors and the necessity of regulatory support for transitioning into these spaces. The complexity of energy as a low-interest commodity is discussed, emphasizing the importance of education and social inclusivity. Furthermore, the structure of the IFA Dao and its potential pilots this year are explored, emphasi...

Empowering Local Energy Sharing: The 2Tokens Podcast with - Kennard C. Brandenburgh (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kcbrandenburgh/) CCO at Distro Energy - Bart van Velthoven (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-van-velthoven/), Progamma Manager at Slimme energie Living Lab Scheveningen and Project Manager at Power of The Many (2Tokens) Description: Welcome to the 2Tokens Podcast, where we dive deep into the transformative world of local for local energy sharing. Discover how surplus sol...

In this episode of 'Energizing the Future,' Captain Jos Röling from Power Of The Many explores the dynamic world of programmable energy. Joining him are two experts: Niels Bakker, Decentralized Marketplace Lead & Consultant at Noviqtech, and Andrea D'Intino, co-founder of Forkbomb. Together, they talk about how programmable energy is revolutionizing the way we manage and distribute electricity, using advanced digital technologies to optimize efficiency and sustainability. The discus...

Welcome to our latest episode about loyalty tokens; an in-depth discussion on the use of tokens to foster community engagement and loyalty. We now see that many companies are using loyalty programs and tokens, such as in the gaming industry, sports (FOOTBALL), and consumer goods (ADIDAS). This podcast highlights the legal and business aspects of tokens used in communities. We've teamed up with the experts from the 2Tokens community: - Arie Van Den Bergen; Owner at Finnic...

In our latest podcast episode focused on Energy Communities in Europe, we talked about decentralized energy systems with our special guests Alex D'Elia from Prosume and our new partner, Forkbomb with Andrea D'Intino. Prosume, a leader in energy trading platforms, highlighted how their technology empowers individuals to both produce and trade energy within their communities, fostering a more self-sufficient and sustainable approach. Forkbomb, bringing their expertise in blockch...

Today's participants: Kai Siefert (CPO at Riddle&Code) https://www.linkedin.com/in/kai-siefert/ Leon Gerard Vandenberg (Founder at Sunified) https://www.linkedin.com/in/leongvandenberg/ This podcast was recorded during our expert session around energy tokenization. During this workshop, the participants worked together in teams, each team dedicated to crafting a blueprint that aligns with the concerns and aspirations of the problem owners. In today's podcast we will discuss pr...

Blockchain technology, along with AI, IoT, big data, and machine learning, promises enhanced efficiency, cost reduction, automation, and increased transparency. While MiCA provides some clarity for EU crypto markets, further regulatory guidance is necessary to foster the expansion of tokenization. This podcast earlier appeared in the Digital Bytes podcast with Jonny Fry and Erich Schoeckel. Do you want to join one of the use cases? Contact us via info@2tokens.org Read more on our bl...

This podcast is a presentation given during the symposium on June 1st, 2023 in The Hague. This is a symposium brought to you by the 2Tokens Foundation and the University of Groningen with support from ecosystem partners. We have invited distinguished legal experts and tokenisation professionals to come together at the Haagse Hogeschool during the symposium to explore the complexities of property law as it pertains to tokenisation. During the presentation, the aim was to answe...

In this Podcast, Olivier Rikken (2Tokens), Meindert Jansberg (Assetblocks) and Martijn Siebrand (ABN AMRO) discuss their joint use case for the European Blockchain Sandbox. The partnership between these companies, including Rabobank, aims to legally explore the use case of tokenized financial security and stablecoin integration. Together, the goal is to bridge the gap between the physical world and the digital economy by tokenizing real assets and euro’s. The existing base case prese...